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Let’s Discuss…About Homophobia

Below is the Facebook post that was brought to my attention by a KDian. He just wanted to let me know that a mutual friend of ours was being homophobic and was clearly ignorant about it. I clicked over to the said post, read it, started out nodding with appreciation at the expressed sentiment–

Until I got to the last line.homo

I will never support gay anything but homophobia is sickening.

And when a commenter called him out on the oxymoronic makeup of his post, this fella, who would like us to believe he’s not homophobic, turned around and lashed out.homo2

(‘Binya’ is famed and out writer, Binyavanga Wainaina).

Now, I brought this post up in the Facebook LGBT forum I belong to, and was surprised when views supporting this guy’s standpoint were expressed in an ensuing comment thread. Check on it below.

BM: Well here’s my take, that you don’t support gay activities does not mean you are homophobic, I believe there is more to being homophobic than not supporting gay activities. I may not like the act, but that doesn’t mean I hate the person. That’s called tolerance. You can’t force a person to like what they cannot like but they can be tolerant, that’s what we are aiming at, isn’t it? Let us not become what we are trying to get rid of in the process of our struggle for tolerance. We are becoming more intolerant than the homophobes. What’s that called, heterophobia?

SU: Homophobia (as defined by World Web): Fear or dislike of (Prejudice against) homosexual people and homosexuality. So when someone says ‘I will NEVER support gay anything’, it seems to me like he is prejudiced. And THAT, my dear, is Homophobia.

BM: I’m entitled to my thoughts, dearest, but at the rate at which we are going, we would soon have the word heterophobia, when the real aim is for both parties to live side by side.

SU: Did you even get my point? I’m not heterophobic, kindly refrain from throwing that word in my face. I just have a problem with people masking their prejudice with faux concern and others making excuses for them.

BM: Let’s agree to disagree

MO: I am with BM on this…there are Hetero guys who aren’t exactly fans of homosexuality but are tolerant albeit of gays.

SU: If Hymar belongs to that category (and that’s a big IF, because that guy gives me major antigay vibes), then he should word his opinions on gay issues more carefully.

MO: SU, let me paraphrase, is Hymar a fan of Homosexuality? Definitely not. But will Hymar be among a mob that will lynch, attack, physically hurt, or maim a gay man for living his life which has nothing to do with him? That I sincerely doubt. It’s a matter of live and let live, which is the basic principles that should guide our humanity.

SU: Right, because homophobia is only homophobia when people are killing people.

CT: Gee, I should be grateful that at least he WON’T mob and kill me. Thank you Lord!

HH: There are people who neither support homosexuality nor homophobia. These sets of people are those who believe homosexuality is an aberration and homosexuals need help. They don’t support jailing or killing gays, but they’re not out to vote or speak in support of gay marriage either. They’re not indifferent to the subject either. Some believe homosexuals need therapy. Others are religious and believe Jesus loves the homosexuals like he did the adulterous woman immediately after which he told her to go and sin no more. After all, it is said, Jesus came for the sinners. Given my little knowledge of the OP, I am inclined to take the latter explanation. And though we can all agree that this position is more benign than outright homophobia, at the root of it is a condescending empathy that I find insulting.

CA: Homophobia = Fear/hatred for gays or gay activities. It’s different from supporting them. That’s why we have open-minded people, those that don’t have any issue with your sexual orientation. Doesn’t necessarily mean they have to support you. So the Facebook poster is right.

HH: CA, did you say he doesn’t have any issues with your sexual orientation? You need to visit his wall. He makes it clear he finds homosexuality repulsive but finds homophobia even more repulsive. I don’t know if there’s a contradiction there but it appears so.

SU: Leave CA let him be talking. It’s people who don’t know Hymar na. Na today we sabi Hymar?

CT: Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs – Wikipedia. This isn’t rocket science.

OS: Okay let’s assume he is not homophobic (it doesn’t even feel right in my head to assume he is not)…if there is to be a vote for or against legalizing gay activities in Nigeria tomorrow, would he vote for or against it? I think the later will be the case. That he “doesn’t support” being gay means if he gets a gay son tomorrow, he won’t support his son. He won’t accept him. This right here is homophobia, my people.

HH: And here’s another one: “I have a gay friend. One that’s so close that peeps close to me that might know about his preferences think I might play for that team. Their business. In fact I have gay friends. I tell them – my gay padis – from my side of the fence that “Oshi len ba kiri.” I like women. I believe opposites attract. Physical opposites. Yin yang. That type of ish. But if you wanna play for that team, it’s YOUR business. Doesn’t mean I don’t consider it rubbish.

“I think about the fact that a girl might lean on me one kind and nobody gives a shit. I might even like it. But a guy? Peeps are already guessing. Now if I know he’s gay, there’s no way that idea wouldn’t cross my mind. I’ll be careful even if I don’t want to be because I can’t be certain if we’re just friends or if he kinda looks at me that way.

“I’m being honest here. Still, it’s his business. Doesn’t matter if I consider it a sin. That’s my business. When my Lord said, “Love your neighbours…” I believe he meant gay people too. I don’t have to condone all that you do to be friends with you. Hell, I don’t like drunks too. We share our humanity first before anything else.

“So I’m your friend. I will not put up a rainbow for you. I will not march for you. I wish you well and will deal with anyone who wishes to bring you harm though. And if you can’t deal with that, well fuck it. Simply means you’re the one who doesn’t understand that I also have the right to pick my struggles. It’s that simple.”

CT: ‘Doesn’t matter if I consider it a sin’? Ogbeni, are you without sin??? Smh

OS: ‘But if you wanna play for that team, it’s your business, doesn’t mean I don’t consider it rubbish” … I didn’t know one can still consider something he doesn’t care about rubbish.

HH: It’s homophobia, my dear.

There was so much back-and-forth as views were expressed and people dissented over the opinion of whether this Facebook poster was being homophobic based on his update. I used to think homophobia is clear-cut; just like CT in the thread said, “It’s not rocket science. Homophobia is the feeling of contempt, prejudice, aversion, or antipathy, expressed against members of the LGBT, emotions which may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.”

How then does recognizing this lead to the LGBT individual being heterophobic? And what does it mean for a heterosexual person to be TOLERANT of the homosexual person? This is something really important that I’m genuinely interested in us clearing up. How does one differentiate between a tolerant heterosexual and a subtly homophobic one?

Let’s discuss.

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14 Comments

  1. Dude b real tho… I love doing me shit on the downlow, but never would b one to match for a gay pride or support legalization nor gay marriage.

    Can’t we love us some ass without wearing an approval tag on we forehead?

    So i dont get this gay right n’ homophobia shit….if you mind your business and b discreet about your trips, no fella out there would discriminate you.

    Really ds all BS.

  2. Over-flogged issue. It’s not like crying everyday will change anything in Nigeria. We should know this by now. So currently, I just do my thing and mind my business. Simple

  3. That guy, as at last year, was posting that gays would go to hell. Homophobia is homophobia, it can take many forms.

  4. Also, to the relativists out there: this is where your “tolerate all things” ends. From MGM to unsafe sex practices to IH and hypocrisy.

  5. Hymar is homophobic.

    Not “supporting gay activities” means that, fundamentally, you consider them wrong, invalid. You think they shouldn’t be; the only sexual activities that should exist should be heterosexual in nature.

    Hymar does not say homosexuality is not for him as an INDIVIDUAL, no. Hymar says homosexuality shouldn’t even be a thing – for anyone.

    Hymar will find it difficult to accept that his child is gay. He will be like the colorist parent who wishes their child wasn’t “too black” and he will do everything in his power to reverse such a child’s identity.

    Hymar claimed if he hated gays he wouldn’t have put in money to save a gay man’s life. He was referring to the fund-raiser we had when Binyavanga was sick. That fund-raiser was about an AUTHOR in need; it had nothing to do with LGBT issues. Would Hymar attend the same event if it was about supporting a gay rights organisation? Or if it was a TIERS event?

    I do not begrudge him his right to feel the way he feels. At this point, I have ceased to care. But if he says he’s not homophobic, then he has no idea what homophobia means.

    Stop jumping through hoops to defend people who will be more worried about their image and tastes before committing their time and resources to help you. All ye gay boys and girls, have some dignity! #SayNoToCrumbs

  6. The “I’m not gay, I can NEVER be gay” part confirmed he was actually homophobic. I tried it with a couple of other words in my head and I realised I use the word ‘never’ when I am angry, disdainful, in denial, afraid…yup. He is homophobic.

  7. The issue here was to address the subtleties between homophobia and tolerance. And somehow, self-loathing internalized homophobic individuals have hijacked the conversation.

    PP, please can we not see any more of this Ray character’s comments? We don’t need another Tef London here please.

  8. Ladies ladies ladies…..

    A nigga can’t make conversation up in here no more?

    Mustn’t always be the affirmative you know.

    We goin cohabit in here, or u wanna come out as been phobic to a deviant… Aint that what this thread is about!

  9. What “conversation” are you making abeg?

    You’re trying to convince us to be self-loathing and to never think we deserve full rights and respect?

    To remain in hiding?

    Nigga, go and take care of your shame and come back strong, PINK and ready to talk about how you can be recognised as a full person not a terrified scurrying cockroach. You hear?

  10. Let me say that it may be rather too harsh to say that Hymar is homophobic. Pls hear me out first. He may have expressed himself wrongly as a lot of people everywhere do. Us gays have that down ourselves. The way some of us talk about bisexuals and even transexuals is alarming. Some of us are disgusted by shows of affection between heterosexuals and then scream homophobia what they say they don’t like the acts gays engage in. And that is a fact.

    Some people are verbally homophobic, some physically, for some it is a thing of the mind. I believe if every one cannot erase the phobias they have but can at least push it to maybe their subconscious so that it does not affect the way that relate with everyone then we would all be better for it.

    What really matters is the way we relate with one another and not necessarily how we may see each other.

    I don’t know if anyone understands my point here but I am hoping at least one person does.

    I dislike TefMushin and sometimes say hurtful thing to and about him

    Max dislikes MGMs and sometimes says hurtful things about them.

    Chizzie dislikes DM and says hurtful thing to and about him. I hope we see where I am going with this.

  11. This is pretty intense. The points there may not all be true but so many were valid.

    Although, it’s quite pathetic at the amount of contradictory premises I read, it shows that it’s an argument amongst people who are still ‘trying’ to understand, that alone would douse my irritation a little. At least these arguments are being made, right? Which to me is better than not acknowledging something at all. I don’t know what’s up with the one that said he finds homosexuality repulsive, but homophobia more repulsive, this to me is total balderdash and in as much as I wouldn’t like to engage him further, the level idiocy in this statement won’t make me. Then telling me you can’t let a gay man lean on you just cos you think he’d come on to you is the Insecurity I’m talking about! I’m gay, (very gay), but I peck, hug, dance and do all sorts with girls. Even if they come on to you, are you so unsure of yourself as to not know how to handle the situation? A simple, ‘I’m not gay’, would do. Nigerians are fickle-minded and that’s why I don’t blame them whenever I hear some disgusting remarks…it’s innate. That’s why there really are no straight guys out there, except those with a high level of exposure and open-mindedness. So many guys who claim to be straight, at the slightest seduction, they fall. In as much as this has perks (there’s something about the Straights *giggles*), writing this, I just shake my head. Why are they that lily-livered? This is prolly why they won’t want to support homosexuality fully. The fear of turning out to be gays themselves…smh.

    Well, after all said and read, I ask myself a question: What do I really want as a gay man in Nigeria? A country filled with mind-boggling spite, hate, ignorance and insecurity. A country where majority would cling to that little Holy book at the slightest hint of what they feel threatens their religious beliefs, completely oblivious that they are more evil than the people they make out to be evil. A country where a group of youths would lynch and kill an individual, going against a vital law in the Bible, but still under the pretext that they are fighting in accordance with what the Bible says. So what do I want for myself in such a country? Seeing as I cannot eat my cake and have it, I resort to TOLERANCE. Acceptance, as juicy and wonderful as it may be, seems far-fetched in a country filled with hypocrites and religious fucktards. If I can get all my friends, family, distant relations, acquaintances Tolerate me, I guess I’d live contented in this country. Making do with what you have is all that there is. Let’s start somewhere first.

  12. my question here is, is a neutral stance a valid one to take when it comes gay issues?

    is everyone who isn’t our ally necessarily our enemy? make no mistake about it, we need allies among straight folks but we don’t need all of them to be on our side. from his comments above, this guy sounds like he is at worst, a benign homophobe.

    i don’t think we need everyone to like us. what everyone needs to do to do at the very least is recognize our humanity and afford us our dignity and rights. beyond that, what each person chooses to actively support is her own prerogative.

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