Ten Things The Christian Learned About Gay People in Ten Years (Part 2)
Jesus talked about equality a lot; it made the powerful quite uncomfortable.
Written by Kathy, and originally published on canyonwalkerconnections.com
6. ASKING GAY PEOPLE TO DENY THEIR NATURAL SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS DESTRUCTIVE. Recall, homosexual orientation is no more a “behavior” than is heterosexual attraction. Both are orientations, innate attractions. Reparative therapy (Exodus-type programs that offer results that take away “unwanted sexual attractions” or allude to a gay-to-straight conversion) treats homosexuality as if it were a “behavior” akin to other life choices like drug and alcohol usage, adultery, cheating and lying.
You would expect that the elimination of bad behaviors would result in life benefits. However, if you force a gay person to “not be gay,” loneliness, depression, isolation and shame can result.
Some gay people do make a choice to live celibate lives. This is called “Side B” for gay Christians; they come to a personal conviction that God is calling them to be celibate. This is not the same as the imposition of celibacy by an outsider for acceptance before God. Celibacy does not take away attraction; it only means a person is not engaging in sex. A celibate straight person is not “no longer straight” simply because they are not being sexual. Likewise, a celibate gay person is not “no longer gay” simply because they are not being sexual.
The rejection or insistence on change is destructive. Statistics on gay youth prove this. Gay youth, unaccepted by family, are:
- Eight times more apt to attempt suicide than those who are accepted
- Six times more susceptible to depression than those who are accepted
- Three times more likely to get involved in drug and alcohol abuse than gay youth that are accepted
- Three times more likely to contract HIV/AIDS and STD than gay youth that are accepted?
If a person is indeed gay, then no amount of a-wishin’ and a-hopin’ and a-prayin’ will make them straight. Of course, you will hear of “success stories” of people who are “no longer gay”. I have hundreds of friends who tried to play the “I am not gay anymore” game. I know dozens of former leaders and founders of Exodus type programs, and all say they do not know one person who was strictly gay and is now straight. I have never met one such person either. I did register for an Exodus Conference and was uninvited. I was and am willing to be wrong and see the other side of the reparative therapy issue and meet some “success stories”. Of course people can “live as heterosexuals”, they’ve been doing it for millennia. Some of those success stories are actually bisexual people.
7. BISEXUAL PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO BOTH SEXES IN VARYING DEGREES. It would be wrong to say bisexuals are equally attracted to both sexes. The Kinsey Scale, for which there is no definitive “test,” classifies sexual orientation on a spectrum from zero (strictly heterosexual) to six (strictly homosexual). Bisexuals might be mostly attracted to the opposite sex and somewhat attracted to the same sex and be a two or a three on the Kinsey Scale. Conversely, bisexuals might be mostly attracted to the same sex and somewhat to the opposite sex making them maybe a four or five on the Kinsey Scale.
Perhaps you believe that people who identify as bisexual just “want to have sex with anything that moves.” I actually hear that too often because it appears that way to us zeros, and even some sixes. That is a patently wrong and hurtful assessment. Simply, bisexuals are somewhere on the continuum of one to five on the Kinsey, and they are about 5% of the population. Bisexuals can be satisfied emotionally, relationally and sexually with either a man or a woman. They are not hard-wired for only a man or only a woman. Oh my, this is not at all comfortable for those of us who live in a construct of pink and blue. Some of the “no longer gays” are indeed bisexual who have chosen to be in relationship with the opposite sex.
An illogical, fear-based statement I often hear is: “If we accept bisexuals then we have to redefine marriage and let them have two spouses.” Nooooo. Marriage is a contract between two people, not three people; two people. Two adult people. Bisexuals would, and currently do, marry only one person.
8. THERE IS NO “RADICAL GAY AGENDA” AND NO DEMAND FOR “SPECIAL RIGHTS.” The ‘gay agenda’ said to threaten America with “complete elimination of God and Christianity” was created in the 1990’s by Christians and political conservatives. I have read many “histories” of this fabricated agenda and they all are birthed in a few small groups creating negative buzz about gay people in the 80’s and 90’s. The term “gay agenda” is a joke in the gay community.
Gay people do not want to destroy marriage; they want to participate in it. Gay people do not want to destroy churches and religion, they want access. There is no “recruitment” of children. My goodness, where do we think gay children come from? They are not recruited, heterosexual couples keep having them!
What gay people want is equality. They do not want “special rights,” just equal rights. They do not want “gay marriage”; they just want marriage. The only agenda of gay people is equality. Jesus talked about equality a lot; it made the powerful quite uncomfortable.
As a side note, Gay Pride is not about “pride”; it is a celebration to commemorate the Stonewall Riots in 1969 when the gay and transgender community decided to stop hiding in society-imposed shame. So when we heterosexuals say silly things like “well, there are no Heterosexual Pride parades. Why do we need gay pride?” it really is that – Silly. Heterosexuals have never been forced to hide in shame for being heterosexual; we don’t need to celebrate our freedom to be who we are. We get to live it daily.
9. THE LOSS OF GAY BELIEVERS TO THE CHURCH HAS BEEN TRAGIC. Eighty-four percent of gay people were raised in some kind of faith community. Sixty percent of gay adults describe their faith and a relationship with God as “very important” in their lives. Fifty-eight percent of gay adults have made a “personal commitment to Jesus Christ.” Twenty-seven percent describe themselves as “born again.”
I am in an extremely rare position to have participated extensively with gay believers in one-on-one settings, conferences and camp meetings; I know thousands of gay Christians. The gifts, the anointing, the worship and the devotion that I see in the gay Christian community are genuine and rich. They want to love and serve God, and for the majority of Christian churches, this is a challenge.
I am immensely thankful for the Holy Spirit filled gay Christians who influence my life. Without doubt, some of the finest preachers and teachers I know are gay. Although this statement will torque some of you, it is one of the most profound observations of the ten years of this journey. The loss of their contribution that we as a church have already suffered is tragic.
I suggest that churches openly discuss gay Christian inclusion with love. Invite gay believers to be full participants in the dialogue and struggle to a conclusion together. If you are not willing to wrestle with this with gay believers, I suggest they leave your church and find somewhere that will allow them to grow spiritually and in an honest relationship with God and others. More and more options are becoming available for fellowship. From my experience, you will deny your church body of some of God’s most anointed people if you do not reassess church policy on this issue. Please do not become part of the “(un)Welcoming Committee”– we have already lost too many gifted gay Christian leaders of our churches.
10. THE LOUDEST MESSAGE THE GAY COMMUNITY HEARS FROM CHRISTIANS IS ONE OF INTOLERANCE AND HATRED. Imagine the sadness when a darling young lesbian pleads with me for an answer to the question: “Why does God hate me?”
What would you say to her? If she really wanted an answer, what would you say? Very few would tell her that God hates her, yet this is the dominant message. Some would tell her she needs to change her sexual orientation for God to have a relationship with her.
The reality is that most of us know something is wrong with both of those messages. Most of us believe that God loves unconditionally and half of us already believe sexual orientation is not changeable. We may not understand the issue well enough to verbalize anything, so we stay silent.
Ten years ago, I too was in that spot, not at all unkind to the gay community, just doing my Christian thing in my Christian heterosexual world. I had ceded my “kinder” voice to those who stand on street corners and in pulpits and passionately preach “homosexuality is an abomination.” This is the minority voice that is heard by the gay community. I go to Gay Pride events often and do not see Christians equally and passionately declaring a “Jesus loves you” message.
So, what would you say to this darling young woman as she pleads with you for an answer? It is time to find your voice in this equation. As the silent majority conveniently avoids the dialogue, people are walking away from Christianity and hating us, thinking we hate them. We get lumped in with the intolerant and hateful. Have you found yourself saying, “Oh, I am not that kind of Christian,” in defense? Well, what kind of Christian are you then? The kind that stands at a comfortable distance while gay people hear select pieces of Scripture and not the message of love? What drew you to God? The condemnation or the love? You may not know where you are on this issue, but silence and indecision occupy a position in this dialogue. By default, your voice is thrown in with the loud “you must change” voice.
In 2001, I considered myself well-educated and strong in Bible knowledge and understanding. I thought it was sufficient to let others tell me what to believe about gay people and what the Bible says about them. That all changed in one relationship, making my place of uninformed comfort no longer reasonable.
I intentionally inserted a time line to show the decade it took to come to these ten insights. On every one of these points, I either did not care or believed the contrary position. Please, take what I offer and challenge yourself. The wrong thing to do is nothing and sadly, the majority of Christians are comfortable right there, doing nothing. I understand that. I was silent and lazy. Come on, we know that is not the Jesus-model; the Jesus model is filled with verbs: love, go, heal, make, do, serve.
While the majority of Christians ignore the issue of faith and orientation, the minority of Christians passionately sends a message of hate or one that demands change. While the majority of Christians ignore the issue of faith and orientation, most of the eighteen million gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people in the US walk away from the possibility of a God-connection, feeling excluded because the loud minority is telling them they are excluded.
Maybe you are at step one and you do not have gay friends and honestly do not know if sexual orientation is innate. If that is the case, then purposefully engage in relationship with gay people. Start with coffee if dinner is too intimidating. Just be humans together, find commonality, break down some walls.
The next step might be visiting an affirming congregation. If that scares you, “visit” one online. (There are some suggestions at the end.) If your child is gay or lesbian, reach out to others for answers at a local PFLAG, come to the annual Gay Christian Network Conference with your son or daughter, or go to the forums online and engage other Christian parents.
Intentionally spend some time with a Bible and concordance and read, in context and original language, the sections of the Bible that refer to same sex activities. Most of you have probably never done this.
While you navigate the authenticity and implications of these insights with your faith and life:
Being gay is not a choice
There are gay Christians
Gay couples do enter into long term, committed, monogamous relationships
Every word translated as “homosexual” in the Bible is in an extreme circumstance
The church is not offering a model of being gay and Christian and leading a virtuous life
Asking people to deny their natural sexual orientations is destructive
Bisexual people are attracted to both sexes in varying degrees
There is no radical gay agenda
The loss of gay believers to the church has been tragic
This last point needs to be held in the forefront of every step: The loudest message the gay community hears from Christians is one of intolerance and hatred.
Is this the message in you?
God loves you. I love you
Then say it with passion until you drown out the hatred and intolerance. This is the life-changing message that all of us, including the gay community, need to hear:
God loves you. I love you.
I encourage you to be uncomfortable and to challenge yourselves out of passivity. For God’s sake and the sake of His people, please care, please.
Start with a step. Start with a whisper.
THE END
Throwing shades like market women ***Buys my ugu leaves and zooms off***
This is deep!
I just hope people will read this article and make a change.
We all need Love and Acceptance.
BTW Pinky, I sent you a mail last night and i haven’t received a response yet.
#stillwaiting
What was the mail regarding? A submission?
Pastor Chris said that, huh? Aren’t men of God supposed to have a degree of Christ’s intelligence?
Lmao. At least he did not say it’s because gay people are afraid of women, like the Primate of Nigeria’s Anglican Church said. I just laughed it over. The dude should definitely send me his wife; I’ll snatch her from him if he doesn’t take care.
Nope
I asked you for a little favour which you haven’t responded to.
#checkyourmail
I love that response. LOL. That is the underlying fear that drives the cause against gay marriages and gay parents. Ignorance breeds this belief that with gay parenting, more gay children will abound.
Could you resend it? I’m not sure I saw it. Or perhaps I did and am just now too woolly upstairs to properly process my thoughts about my mails. lol.
You really are despicable. Someone is preaching love and acceptance for your sexuality, and all you can see to do is nitpick and cast sticks and stones, something I’d expect from a homophobic individual. By all means, be there and let the myopia that your religion has instilled in you blind you to the generosity of this writeup.
FYI, this writing isn’t supposed to be about the scriptures of the bible, but of what is expected of Christians. Simple as that. How you could not get that, being a gay man that you are, is beyond me.
@Pinky, have you found it?????
pantherptb@yahoo.com
That is the email address you sent it to, right? Becos I’m watching my mail at the moment and nothing is dropping. Not inbox. Not spam.
*Front Row*
Pop corn (looks around for chestnut)
@Pinky, u can check now.
Thanks Love
That man,s case is not that of ignorance but deception.He has to tell his customers what they want to hear to be on the safe side.Atleast he had earlier compensated his gay congregation with the endorsement of masturbation.Business strategy if you ask me
Oh roast him Lord, roast him on the alter of fire.
And that is okay? We speak of church and business in the same sentence, and THAT the bible approves?
‘that God authenticates gayism’ ….what on earth us wrong with this twisted screwed up person called King? Like I said you are one other KitoDiariesian (his name starts with a G and ends with a D), have shown me the strength of the linakage bw gay/busexual married men (usually staunch christians) and HYPOCRISY of the highest order … in Pinky wont call you out for what you are, I WILLL!!! you’re a self – loathing hypocrite eaten up by internalized homophobia abd guilt brought about by the reinforced hypocrisy of your false religion … its frightening to think of the mess thats going on in your head … abeg!! ***BBM talk to the hand smiley***
Gad!!! Let’s hope to God you get forgiven for your judgement of God’s own servant!!!! I pray oh lord i just pray!!!!
Amen! Jusst in case
Of course Gad needs forgiveness, never mind the rest of us who are married, have twins and still screw man-pussies. Nah, all that doesn’t warrant a plea for God’s forgiveness. But speak out of turn about a minister… THAT needs forgiveness.
Shade of life and destiny
LOL
My darling Khaleesi
LOL
Were ya Nwayo
We all need God’s forgiveness baby!!! Hope you do too!
@pinky: one million likes for your comment! Hahaha
OMg….hahahaha hahahaha…*goes to the middle row to get a better view…puts on 3D glasses…
@Gad: So homosexuality is wrong? Why do you still practice it? This can only mean one thing; faith without works is dead. You are hanging with the wrong crowd. Sweetheart, pick a struggle!
@Khaleesi: breathe, darling! You just gotta keep breathing! Lol!
No 6 rings true. I heard pastor Chris say once that “homosexuality is just like a habit, like doing drugs. You just stop taking it, and it may be difficult to stop, just like when you are addicted to cocaine, so you may need help quitting it”
I just smiled and was like “so much ignorance”. This is the mindset of many people when it comes to this, which is why they cannot tolerate it.
Oh, great. And so the Church of England tries to be loving and it’s bullish big colleauge in Nigeria rallies the other stupid colleagues in Africa (except South Africa) and breaks away, calls it, quite lyrically, “Impaired Communion.” And now I hate that church. In a few years, trust me, they’ll look like the fools they really are.
Anyway, I liked this: “There is no “recruitment” of children. My goodness, where do we think gay children come from? They are not recruited, heterosexual couples keep having them!”
I came out to a ‘sister’ I used to look up to in my ‘spiritual’ years. She listened. Asked questions. Tried to understand. Then she asked, “If gay men marry, won’t their adopted children then become gay since that’s what they see?”
To which I replied, “If that’s the case, there’d be no gay people around today!”
@Pinky… I just did.
Its titled A Little Favour
Eh this piece still sounds nice and true however I am yet to see the verses that the writer swore were in the bible that would NOW open and reveal to ME that God authenticates gayism( yeah that word again)! …anyway I still didn’t see any verses stated from the bible..
So what I advice this writer is to go ahead and write but don’t overwrite in such a way that your good writing would be rubbished even by you!!! Just say what you believe but don’t say what YOU don’t know!!! People like us really want to believe but we ONLY DO IT WITH SCRIPTURES …raw in our faces but AGAIN this was not so……sigh!
Oops! I’m so sorry, I got d address mixed up.
Coming right up
Pinky while I don’t agree with King and suggest he goes back to read the article cause he has certainly formed a false opinion about it, I dont think you should be attacking like that, you posted all that Cyber Bulliying stuff anout how we should all coment nicely here, yet you’re calling him despicale.
Most of King’s comments are non-agreeable to me, but they are just that , his comments and opinions and I believe he is allowed to have them.
Hehehe…all the people I knw who gave me that ‘I am no more gay’ story…well they all came back for some more shugar and are even getting milk added now and might add milo pretty soon…
This was really informative; I think acceptance within religious circles is definitely improving (especially here in the UK), but I’m still a little glad I was brought up without religion! xD
What is it with u people and religion self especially christianity…abeg if some thinks Jesus still love them as they suck dick and eat ass all the best! Oga o
King,I salute ur honesty and objectivity.Noble men should always acknowledge the truth not only when it favors them.As the writer rightly said,get an NIV devotional study Bible and check the footnotes and concordance on homosexuality and you will begin to really see and understand the Bible stand on homosexuality.I stumbled on this in the late 90s and it really helped my understanding of God and homosexuality.Have you for once considered the Bible quote”suffer not the little children to come to me”in symbolic terms?Ponder it anew.Like you,I was wondering how the writer got statistics like percentage of born again gays etc.At a point, I thought I was reading a politician,s speech.If marriage as the writer defines it is contract bw 2 persons,what do we call polygamous and polyandrous marriages?Just thinking.If we walk away from God(thats scary) because of what mere mortals say and do we are of all men most miserable.Its like shooting self on the leg.I remember the day my priest told me in 2007 that I can no longer partake in holy communion @ his hands,I told him I was okay with that knowing it was man,s decision and not God,s.To my surprise he agreed with me.I also remember D late Ven Dr Tola Roberts,he told me”if God has not condemned you,who am I to”.Lastly,I wish to recall what happened in a Bible study class @ Ang Church of d Pentecost, festac town.After all participants has finished their dutiful condemnation of gayism,the vicar Ven Dr Adeyeye rose and asked”are we saying that gays are not among us?”.He challenged any man that can vouch that none exists to bail out the men and none.Then he turned to the woman and did d same.He even called on his wife to pls vouch 4 d women but no one.He closed d Bible study with the following prayers”merciful God,we know u created and love all men,endue us with your grace and nature so that we will be wise to accommodate all and draw them to the Christ that all may come to the knowledge of your love and atlast enter your rest,through Christ our Lord”That prayer did a lot in my life and that of my son who was with me.Im sure it did same for many in the church that day.I deliberately mentioned names bcos of earlier comments against the church of Nig and it’s Primate.The people against homosexuality are only acting on the level of information @ their disposal.We who look @ them as ignorant also do so based on the informations we have.Dont you think we owe them and us a duty of enlightenment?Of course our cowardice won’t allow us.
Finally the 2nd part to a write up i loved so much, still do.
Reading this and i kept highlighting to many areas i wanted to include in this comment section but alas, that was turning out to be the whole article so i refer us all to the last paragraph.
“I encourage you to be uncomfortable and to challenge yourselves out of passivity. For God’s sake and the sake of His people, please care, please.
Start with a step. Start with a whisper.”
Nuff said!
beautiful, lovely piece … so much if it struck me forcefully …especially the part about the harm of denying my sexuality … which is why I cant wrap my head around the hypocrisy and internalized homophobia displayed by some KitoDiariesians …
Ok pinky I need the link to this article… Need to send it to some people.
Beautiful beautiful ending to a wonderful piece.. This lady just said everything and answered every question roaming around many people’s mind. Love it..
Religion is the opium of the (simple minded) people!
Eyaaa!
Omashe!
*continues hiking on Afy Mountain*